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From: "david wisdom" <[email protected]>
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Subject: Fwd: MURDER BY SUICIDE.
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 05:22:57 EST
Dear Friend, I'm unable to post this anonymously, if you
are able to, please do so. To ASG. Only, of course if
you can do it anon. I've done what I thought was right,
if you have reservations, please consider what this girl
has likely been through for the past year. It is all true,
it happened and is still going on right now. It's a crime,
plain and simple, he did it and it was monstrous.
>From: john white <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: MURDER BY SUICIDE.
>Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 05:34:16 -0800 (PST)
>
> A short time ago a friend told me a story, I didn't
>really believe it, so I went to the internet to find
>the truth. I thought I'd come up empty. I was amazed
>when this story surfaced. It is true. I found it
>easily and it's all simple to confirm. My friend said
>it was a "sad" story, he was right. I titled it for
>exactly what it was. MURDER BY SUICIDE.
>
> It began with a celebrity having an affair, a
>man whose public image centered around his honesty
>and faithful lifestyle. Both lies, he's not honest
>and hasn't been faithful to his wife for one day of
>their lives. He was in another relationship the day he
>gave his vows. A continuing relationship to this day.
> He had this new "affair", at least at first, in
>his hotel room while on a business trip to San
>Francisco. He met "Lorna" on a movie set. I can't say
>exactly how long it lasted, but it ended with him
>dumping her in the later part of 1998. She was
>unhappy about it and threatened "to tell".
> And she had the proof. This included a tape of his
>voice during lovemaking and knowledge of the exact
>size of his penis. His voice was well known and
>unmistakable, but as tapes can be faked, he likely
>didn't consider this a serious threat. But the actual
>size of his penis was indeed real proof. This
>knowledge was especially threatening to him because
>the size of his penis was part of his act. He'd built
>his career around his famous "micro-penis" jokes.
> But there was a way to ruin her "penis proof". Tell
>the world his size before she could. So he held an
>"on-air" penis contest. A radio "bit" to tell the
>world his size. This would effectively spoil her
>"proof". I suppose it did but I can't help wonder what
>his fans thought about him destroying his "signature"
>joke.
> Next he wanted to punish her and take his revenge.
>On Oct.15 he went to internet to post IN HER NAME to
>swipnet.tickets, fleamarket.tickets and alt.baseball.
>"She" had 20 tickets to the World Series, behind home
>plate, within the first five rows. As an insult, he
>addressed her as Lorna Kanserslut. (This celebrity is
>famous for wishing cancer on people he's mad at) It
>could be taken as a joke with a joke name, but he also
>posted her correct phone number, not a funny joke.
>Then he posted her to alt.cellular.sprintpcs saying
>she had 12 touchpoint phones for sale. He made the
>joke-name real by signing Lorna Kanserslotte. Her
>phone probably rang off the wall.
> But this was only his beginning. On that same day,
>he expanded on his harassement idea and went on to his
>"Murder By Suicide" plan. He posted her to
>alt.skinheads, under the title "You People Are Sick".
>"She" boasted of her love for her black boyfriend and
>described herself as a blonde, blue-eyed white girl
>whom had learned that "once black, never back". She
>closed by calling them punks and explaining that her
>boyfriend would kick all their asses should they speak
>up against her. He signed her "Anon" then her correct
>name, address and phone number. His idea was to leave
>the impression she was stupid and had posted her real
>information by mistake.
> Next he posted the same message titled "WHATDS WRONG
>WITH A LITTLE BLACKNWHITE?" to
>alt.politics.white-power. The bad spelling on purpose,
>just to show her stupid. Hardly necessary, this post
>to this group from a single, unprotected girl would
>demonstrate that.
> His last post on the 15th, was titled "You People
>Are Idiots" and sent to alt.religion.scientology.
>"She" called them freaks and said she had no fear of
>them because she "had connections". It was "the
>beginning of the end for you". Then she called L.Ron
>Hubbard a pederast and challenged them with "you're
>to chicken to call".
> On October 19th he decided "the best defense is a
>strong offense". So he posted the tale she would be
>telling, in her name. He told about their meeting on
>the movie set and how he had sent his limo for her.
>Then dinner in his hotel and finishing up the evening
>with her giving him oral sex. Lastly "she" posted her
>phone number so the reader, or a few million readers,
>could call to hear a tape of them "screwing". This
>wouldn't be oral, so there must have been other
>meetings. Lastly he again added bad spellings to open
>the door so "her" post could be ridiculed.
> On Oct.22 he went back to his "Murder by Suicide"
>plan and posted her to alt.politics.socialists.nazi
>and again to alt.skinheads. Titled "You Folks Are
>Racist". She was again bragging of her love for black
>men describing them as ten times more men than white
>men. As one group was a "Nazi" group, she added that
>she was Jewish and Jew haters should "piss off".
>Finally she hoped the Mossad would kick all their
>asses. Signing "Anonymous" with her correct name,
>address and phone number.
> Not content with this threat, he then posted her to
>alt.sex.prostitution. Titled "At Your Service". He
>started with "please call me", then said "she" loved
>to hear "nasty talk". If nasty enough, she might call
>back. He added "I do out-calls too, if u know what I
>mean". He signed with kisses and her number. Now she
>was a prostitute advertising on the net and using her
>own name and number.
> Next he went back to his newsgroup, which he owns
>and runs, to tell how she had taped him without his
>knowledge during lovemaking. I can only guess, maybe
>she taped him unknowingly, maybe they taped as some
>game, who knows? It does seem like a difficult
>scenario to pull off in "his" hotel room. Any
>machinations she did, any positioning or mistakes
>would surely be noticed. Even if the taping had been
>done on a second or third date at her place, it would
>be a risky thing to do. And I doubt he would have ever
>gone to her place. I do believe she has a tape, I'm
>just not sure how it came into being. "She" also
>complained at this time that he would put her on hold
>when she called in to his studio in New York. A
>private studio number?
> Also on this date, one of the celebrity's friends
>joined in to "spin-control". "Anti-Hero", posted that
>he had called and talked with "Lorna". She of course
>denied having sex with the celebrity or having posted
>to any newsgroup. But she knew someone had. She was
>being harassed and knew whom it was. "Anti-Hero" said
>he would write to the group and report this truth. He
>did, saying it was all just "bull-crap".
> I doubt Mr.Anti-Hero ever called Lorna, he didn't
>have to, he knew the celebrity was the poster. I also
>doubt he knew anything about the "Murder by Suicide"
>plan. To see those posts he would have had to search
>her profile. There would be no need. Lastly because I
>can't believe he would be "in on" such a vicious
>attack on a nearly helpless person. I don't think Mr.
>Anti-Hero knows exactly whom he's helping or how far
>the "Hero" he's "Anti" did and will actually go.
> On Oct.26 the celebrity again posted her to his
>newsgroup. He titled it "DR.LORNA HAD SEX WITH
>HOWARD". This time she was "Slut-Ho" and he slanted it
>as though she was a scorned woman hoping his wife
>would find out. His wife knew of the posts to his
>group, but I'm sure she knew it was him posting. I
>don't believe she would set back and watch this attack
>either. I can't beleive she would be part of hurting
>anyone. She knows his character but has three very
>important reasons for saying nothing.
> On Oct.27 he posted Lorna to alt.sex.animals. He
>titled this, "Animal Sex Club". "She" was calling
>herself "Mistress Lorna" and asking people to call if
>interested in her "inter-species fare". Making her a
>sick-o into having sex with animals. Then again her
>phone number and a request for any callers to mention
>they were interested in seeing "doggies get it on". An
>open, world-wide invitation to all sick-os everywhere.
> On Nov.16 he posted her to alt.cheese, probably the
>lamest newsgroup on the net. He chose it just to
>demonstrate her stupidity. The reason she would make
>such dumb mistakes on the net. It was a set-up, she
>was asking to join up in a "make money fast" internet
>scam. He had put the scam up, then posted her reply to
>it. Yes, it's bizare, but also true.
> His last post as her was on Nov.24, she was
>trying to start a fight in a thread about "love" on
>alt.tv.bevis-n-butthead. An otherwise pointless
>intrusion into a conversation that had apparently
>involved countless people. "She" wanted to fight.
> This must have been enough, she was fixed. It was
>a revenge that could keep on giving, FOR YEARS. He'd
>shown her stupid, a scalper, slut, prostitute, and
>sick-o. Plus he'd set her up to be a target for the
>most angry, sick and hate-filled people he could find.
>Her phone would likely be ringing 24/7 with calls from
>every "nut-case" smart enough to turn on a computer.
>Even adding her address, probably her work-place when
>not on movies sets, so she could also be stalked
>there. And if she's in her local city phone book, her
>home address could be found easily. He'd successfully
>used her own words against her. "MURDER BY SUICIDE".
> To find "her" posts for yourself, go to Deja.com,
>type in [email protected] and search past
>posts. Then on her posting history. This will bring
>you the posts he did in her name. The truth is
>apparent. He's never canceled these posts, so his hate
>and revenge continues. Anyone interested in any topic
>in "her" posts could stumble upon them today.
> Ms. Leslie isn't on the net, I've found nothing in
>any context beyond this. Common sense dictates if she
>had posted, leaving it up to forever be in danger, is
>ridiculous. She didn't post anything. Scalping tickets
>to the World Series world-wide with her home phone
>number is insane. And what single woman would slap
>Nazis and white-power skinheads in the face, then post
>her name, address & phone number? Could a hooker smart
>enough to use a computer be so dumb that she gives the
>police her address in an ad selling sex on the net?
>Lastly I'm sure people in some group somewhere talk
>about sex with animals. I'm equally sure none use
>their REAL NAMES. What woman who sleeps with animals
>advertises to meet others of like tastes over the
>WORLD-WIDE-WEB? Also telling family, friends and
>everyone everywhere whom she is and where to find her.
>The celebrity met her working on a movie set, a
>career-minded young woman would hardly want employers
>or future employers reading of her "out-calls" or her
>"Animal Sex Club". I don't think anybody would hire
>anyone to do anything knowing the new employee has
>sex with sheep-dogs.
> Then there's Scientology. I've heard gossip about
>Scientology, but I have no idea what the actual truth
>is. The gossip says people who mess with them can
>become lost..forever. Idle gossip means nothing, but
>would it inspire a young woman to just strike out at
>them? Threaten them? For what? The gossip I've heard,
>was on this celebrity's show.
> This was some introduction to the net, this girl
>began posting on Oct.15, posted the most harm she
>could do to herself, then just quit on Nov.24th. All
>the while making the same exact mistake, signing Anon
>and adding her own real information. That was quite a
>month. As well as quite a display of courage...and
>foolish, reckless, suicidal behavior.
> I believe our laws consider "intent". His intent was
>to set her up for one of these people, or groups of
>people, to harm or even kill her. This was a
>pre-meditated and executed plan. From the first day,
>to FOREVER, some "nut-case" could find "her" words and
>go after her. She has not been safe for one day since.
>
> For the proof, ask Ms. Leslie. Remember it was over
>a year ago and she likely had to change her phone
>number and probably job. Witnesses will abound. She
>worked on a movie set, was that in San Francisco
>around this time? Was the celebrity in the area? Did
>anyone see him on that set, talking to her? His limo
>brought her to his hotel, the limo driver, desk clerk,
>bell-man and maids. They had dinner, the waiter and
>chef preparing dinner for a celebrity and his guest.
> There's also the celebrity himself, he loves doing
>polygraph tests. He always believes it works for
>everyone else, but if it says he lied, he insists it's
>wrong and he doesn't believe in it. He does believe,
>why else would he continue doing them on his show?
>Mr. "Anti-Hero", his wife and the celebrity's wife all
>know. All are on the internet. As of today, they have
>the missing pieces, the rest of the story. Hopefully,
>today is the first time they've heard all of it.
> Lastly, there's Ms. Leslie's proof. Does the tape
>of their lovemaking exist? Whom did she tell and play
>the tape for? She must have told someone, shared. And
>does she know an "inside" studio number? She has all
>the answers, who saw them together, where and when?
> I haven't used his full name because he's always
>on-line, he'll see this and cancel "her" posts. He
>uses his small fortune in computers as weapons and has
>broken every rule of cyberspace. He had a great
>teacher, now another witness. His teacher knows much
>of what his pupil has learned to do on computers.
> This celebrity is endangering lives, this isn't the
>only example of things he's done. People all over the
>net are searching for him. But they don't know it's
>him they're chasing. You may be chasing him, if your
>address has ever been forged and the posts had to do
>with him, or were posted to some sick sex group, he
>may be the one you're after. If you see in your own
>posting history that YOU posted to alt.sex.kids and
>didn't, guess who may be trying to make you look like
>a criminal or pervert. If he forges you, HE CAN POST
>AS YOU. He can make YOU say anything HE wants. Do you
>know him? Is he mad at you? Is there any reason he
>would target you? You should also know if your address
>has been forged, the forger CAN NOW READ your private
>email. That's how this celebrity gets information. One
>of his "SECRET" sources. He can forge your address,
>not use it, just set back and read your email.
> I'll only re-access this address for a few hours,
>because I don't know how long it takes him to forge.
>Should you email me more than a few hours from now, I
>won't be answering, but know that HE could be.
> And pay no attention to the name of anyone who
>flames this post, he has a thousand names and uses new
>ones everyday. Check the profiles of the flamers, if
>it shows only one post or just a few, it may be him.
>If it shows a thousand posts but only one to this
>group, email one of the posters more innocent posts
>and ask if he or she posted. Disregard sex as he posts
>as women and even children.
> He emailed my friend once posing as a 16 year old
>girl, "she" asked if he'd be "her" boyfriend. The
>celebrity was trying to see if my friend was a person
>who would do such a thing. Either to get something on
>him and/or find out if he was a pervert. He's not, his
>reply sent "her" to kids newsgroups and told her if
>grown men were saying yes to that question, she needed
>to beware. I added this about "her" because I'm sure
>he's tested other people online, YOU perhaps?
> He recently learned he'd been seen on the net, check
>his newsgroup, you'll see half of the posters have
>posted once or only a few times. Most of these new
>posters are him and one of his friends. They change
>address with almost every post. They do keep some
>longstanding addresses, but most are new.
> The attack on this girl sent me over the top, I'd
>seen other things he'd done, but this was horrible. I
>got angry, I'm sick of watching bigger people beat up
>on smaller ones. IT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH US. And few do
>anything. Just stand around and watch, keeping safe
>and out of harms way. Afraid. We're all victims and
>sadly, of each other. Some people get stronger, "what
>doesn't kill me makes me stronger", others, like this
>guy, turn into the attackers.
> This girl didn't understand whom or what she was
>dealing with. She had no one and every time she picked
>up her phone or met a stranger she had to be afraid.
>Perhaps she still is. He has thousands of protectors.
>He makes money for people, they carry his sword and
>shield for money. They add up their cash and close
>their eyes. That is his strength. That and the power
>of his show, he has five hours a day to bash anyone
>who disagrees with him. Fear puts them in his control,
>he's extremely vicious and few have any format to
>fight back. He also uses his deep pockets, my friend
>emailed Kathy Lee Gifford once, the celebrity returned
>his email to him, Mrs. Gifford never saw it. Someone
>from her office had sent it to this celebrity, HE
>CENSORS HER EMAIL. Mrs. Gifford needs to start
>polygraph tests on everyone in the chain between her
>computer screen and her hand. She and many others he
>doesn't like. Mrs. Gifford shut down that address just
>afterwards. My friend believes he mail-bombed or did
>some other computer magic to force her to close it.
> It's taken me considerable thought to send this, I
>knew what was right, but he has a family. I hope they
>understand there will be a tomorrow, whom will he
>attack next? I'd only ask them to understand he did
>this, I'm just showing you his work. This wasn't his
>first time and there's no reason to believe it's his
>last. We can't wait for the next time he either orders
>or causes someone's pain or death.
> To Ms. Leslie, I'm very sorry this happened to you,
>I only recently found out about it, or I'd have spoken
>up sooner. I do have reason to believe you're still
>alive and well. I don't know if you said or did the
>wrong thing to start this, but it doesn't matter, he
>was the bad guy. I was too late to stop whatever you
>had to deal with over it, but hopefully this helps you
>understand what happened. I'm also sorry if this post
>causes you problems, but there will be a next victim.
>I know because my friend is one of them, unfortunately
>for the celebrity what he has planned for my friend
>can only be done once. My friend's message, "tell him
>he can hit re-play over and over, but can only do the
>deed once".
> To you readers, I'm sorry this had to be so long, I
>decided he would cancel "Lorna's" posts before most of
>you could read them, so I sent enough for you to see
>what happened. I'm sure this post made many people
>happy and many equally unhappy, but that's what the
>truth sometimes does. My next post will do the same,
>it will shock you, but also answer many questions.
>I'll use a different name, never this one again, but
>you'll know. I'll send proof.
> You may think I've taken something from you with
>this post, the freedom you had on the net. But you
>never really had it. Now you know bad guys can invade
>you, people filled with hate can reach out and hurt
>you. The irony is that what he chose to do to her has
>just been turned back on him. It will be interesting
>to see how he "spins" his way out of it. He plans huge
>growth on the net, go to "newsgroups", search his
>name, you'll see a bunch of new "groups", he owns them
>all. Should he grow?
> Lastly, I don't believe in censorship, free speech
>is perhaps our most important freedom, but killing
>people by impersonation can't work. He did it easily
>and will again. How would you feel if Ms. Leslie were
>family? Because in truth my friends, she is.
>
> John White
>
> "To sin by silence when we should protest
> makes cowards out of men" -Ella Wheeler Wilcox
>
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